Thread: Greatest fictional book

Originally Posted by Seqo

the comment was a statement, saying that you should do it. to get rid of you. remove you from the face of this earth. etc.

Mocking religion should be punishable by death? I see tolerance is a one way street.

i would find what they believe in a little weird - ie Santa Claus. however, Santa and the world being flat are easily proven as False. Santa being created by the Coca Cola company and the fact that people have been outside of the atmosphere to see that the world is not, indeed, flat.

1) Santa Claus was popularised, not invented, by Coca Cola.
2) There are arguements to support the Flat Earth theory, which also explain the evidence refuting it.

it is a very different story in proving a religion entire belief system is wrong.

Do you have any reasons why it's different, aside from 'I say so'?

technically you are jeering at something which you are unable to disprove, yet you jeer at it anyway.

I'd like for you to disprove the Toothfairy. Prove it doesn't exist.

The burden of proof lies with those making absurd claims. You cannot logically disprove a negative hypothesis.

If I were to claim I were Mohandas Gandhi, I would need to provide the evidence to you, especially considering Gandhi died over fifty years ago. Until I provide the necessary evidence that Gandhi could have returned from the dead and start posting on an Internet gaming forum, it's assumed I am not Gandhi.

Likewise, when you believe in an invisible deity that allegedly Created Mankind from dust (whereas evolutionary theory disproves this), that this deity flooded the entire world (geologically impossible), or turned sticks to snakes and talks about fire breathing dragons, the burden of proof lies with you to prove it's existence.

The God as described in the Christian Bible does not exist. Period.

Originally Posted by Seqo

i just feel that Jaian is being an immature little tart.

You're the one who told me to kill myself because you disagree with me? Define maturity.

]you don't just mock someone's religious belief's because, more often than not, they will never mock your atheism.

That would be akin to a five year old mocking me because I don't believe in Santa.

Oddly enough, I have been attacked over my 'atheism' by both Christians and Muslim. Atheists don't go door to door trying to convince you to give up your religion, nor do they stop you in the street to 'save' you.

I'm agnostic, until sufficient, credible evidence is provided I won't be taking a position on the existence of any particular deities, just as Christians and Muslims won't accept the existence of Zeus and co until provided with such evidence.

well for my fave fiction novel... probably catcher in the rye, huck finn something like that. Douglas Adams is also good for a laugh

anyway, on the topic of religion. i don't believe in a god per se, but i do believe that there are underlying organisational factors that are beyond our perception, and beyond the reach of science. there are certain things that science can't explain, and these may eventually cause the ideology to fall away just as religion has in the past century. my 2 cents

i may not be able to prove that god exists, to you. and i do not attempt to. however, in my life i have come to the realisation that there is 'something'. that is my belief. it is a decision i have made in my life.

because you do not, does not in any way, give you any right to mock what i or others may believe in.

Santa Claus was an invention, a creation, based upon the popularisation of Saint Nicholas and the ideologies that he lived his life by (loosely based...)

This is the great thing about the bible, everyone interprets what is said differently. The bible is also certain people's interpretations of the events that transpired 2000+ years ago. i can see that you interpret the bible differently to how i interpret it (if you have read it ... i'll assume that you have for the moment). for instance, your statement that the 'entire world' was flooded - the 'entire world' of the time of Noah was very different to the 'entire world' that we know of today.

you can believe what you want to believe, if you don't believe the christian god exists - so be it. but don't mock others for believing something which you choose not to. it shows that you are a moron.

btw, i don't want you to die for being intolerant... rather, removal from the gene pool for being a fool.

(to add to my introduction of the last post) hey guess what, i'm agnostic too.

i do believe that there is something but if i get proven wrong, then i don't think i would care terribly much. if there is something, great.

ooh, you've been mocked in the past... wow. stoop to their level then.

there are some that are not exactly a good reflection upon their religion... but don't bring everybody down because of them. hell, i don't say negative comments about the human race because of you, do i

if you want to know about religion and belief systems within this community

http://www.gamers-underground.com/ph...38&start=0

Originally Posted by Seqo

ooh, you've been mocked in the past... wow. stoop to their level then.

thats basically what i was going to say.... okay so people go you for being atheist, good on you... everyone cops it, no matter what they do or dont beleive in.... bring up religion anywhere and your bound to get a dissagreement somewhere. personally i dont see why people get so heated about the debate.... well, no, thats not true, i see why people defend what they beleive, but wether im right or wrong i sit back and beleive what i choose. if someone has a problem with it, i nod, smile and let them think that usually. every now and then i'll make a few quiet comments to dissagree, but why get heated up about something you'll never know the answer to 100%

*ahem* back to the topic.... i think the best fantasy book ever is 'theres a hippopotomus on my roof eating cake'..... whenever i was little, i couldnt sleep for hours, i would stare at my roof waiting for a hippo to fall thru.... true story.

edit: its a hippo, not an elephant *slap* ... i dont think i spelt hippopotomus right either, oh well.

stuff the book ill wait for the movie

Originally Posted by Seqo

i may not be able to prove that god exists, to you. and i do not attempt to. however, in my life i have come to the realisation that there is 'something'. that is my belief. it is a decision i have made in my life.

You don't have to prove anything to me, since you can't, and you know it.

because you do not, does not in any way, give you any right to mock what i or others may believe in.

Why not? People are mocked when they do stupid things. If you tell me you like licking the testicles of your pet dog, I would think it's disgusting and stupid, and would mock you. Wouldn't you expect to be mocked?

Also, why are my rights in mocking people denied? Not that I actually mocked anyone in my first post, I just said they deserve to be mocked. But why can't I mock them? Because you say not to?

Santa Claus was an invention, a creation, based upon the popularisation of Saint Nicholas and the ideologies that he lived his life by (loosely based...)

The Great Flood of the Bible was an invention, a creation, based upon the Epic of Gilgamesh.
Christmas was an invention, a creation, based upon the Pagan Winter Solstice.
The Virgin Birth was an invention, a creation, based upon many pagan tales of Virgin Births involving deities.
Jesus was an invention, a creation, based upon the Vedic deity Mithra.

Santa Claus was an invention, a creation, based upon the popularisation of Saint Nicholas.

This is the great thing about the bible, everyone interprets what is said differently.

Inconsistencies are great things? WTF?

The bible is also certain people's interpretations of the events that transpired 2000+ years ago. i can see that you interpret the bible differently to how i interpret it (if you have read it ... i'll assume that you have for the moment).

I interpret it as mostly gibberish, with a handful of factual events, not that different from Homer's Illiad.

for instance, your statement that the 'entire world' was flooded - the 'entire world' of the time of Noah was very different to the 'entire world' that we know of today.

How was it different? Geologically it was pretty much the same same, tectonic shifts would account for what, maybe 200 metres of continental drift? That's nothing.

How was it different, and what is your point? Are you denying that it has been scientifically established that a flood covering the world is impossible, and that all the geological evidence we have completely refutes the very idea of this happening?

Oh, and seeing how you can claim that 'the time of Noah' was different from today, when was the time of Noah? How many thousands/millions of years ago are you going to claim he existed? It doesn't really say in the Bible, so I'm curious how you came to to know when his 'time' was.

you can believe what you want to believe, if you don't believe the christian god exists - so be it. but don't mock others for believing something which you choose not to. it shows that you are a moron.

What is so sancrosact about faith? Tell me this, have you never mocked anyone or jeered at them for doing something stupid? What do you think TV shows such as Australia's Funniest Home Videos are about? Laughing at other people's mistakes and stupidity.

The only thing 'foolish' about mocking stupidity in people is if they are an obvious threat to you somehow, whether physically or financially (ie. mocking your boss's faith to his face) or socially. Maybe you meant to say it's cruel, which is completely different from foolish. I'd prefer calling it honesty though

btw, i don't want you to die for being intolerant... rather, removal from the gene pool for being a fool.

A fool because I don't believe in other people's faith? Or a fool because I am skeptical and contemptous of their faith? And for this I should die?

ooh, you've been mocked in the past... wow. stoop to their level then.

How have I 'stooped to their level'? I don't go out of my way to throw my religious beliefs (or lack thereof) in their faces. I only refuted a persons comment about the factual basis of the Bible.

Or are you saying you can't correct someone if they post something which is incorrect? In the Flame Wars forum? Do tell how I've 'stooped to their level'.

there are some that are not exactly a good reflection upon their religion... but don't bring everybody down because of them. hell, i don't say negative comments about the human race because of you, do i

Neither do I make negative comments about the human race because of the Christians who believe in the historicity of the Bible.


lilu, I did not bring up religion as a topic here.

I'm an agnostic (originally atheist) and my personal take on religion is thus:

Since it puts itself where it can't be questioned (faith, no logic), and given that scientific theories contradict it (such as Evolution), as well as given that scientific theories are permitted to be questioned. Religion in general hates to be questioned.

Based on the above, I would state that more likely than not, a god doesn't exist. He might, but quite frankly, I don't like his chances.

As far as personal beleifs go, you are entitled to your beleifs, I'm entitled to and will state mine.

Originally Posted by Seqo

you can believe what you want to believe, if you don't believe the christian god exists - so be it. but don't mock others for believing something which you choose not to. it shows that you are a moron.

Thats exactly right, you have no right to exercise superiority on this issue Jaian, because just as he cannot prove god exists, can you prove god doesnt exist? And what right do you have to bag other peoples beliefs? Its a decision they make for themselves, its got nothing to do with you.

It may surprise you to know that i agree with your viewpoint however Jaian. But that doesnt give us the right to attack someone elses.

In short, your a fucking prick. And thats my opinion.

Now disprove that.

Because what I have seen from you, has lead me to believe that. You may believe differently. But what does it matter to you if i think your a prick?